Kit Krugman, SVP of People and Culture at Foursquare, on Organization Excellence, People and Culture
WIE SUITE WOMEN
October 27, 2023
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Kit Krugman is the SVP of People & Culture at Foursquare.

Previously, Kit held the role of Partner and Managing Director at co:collective, where she established and led the Organization & Culture Design Practice. With a background in Organizational Psychology and Change Leadership from Columbia University, Kit has worked closely with notable companies including IBM, Microsoft, and LinkedIn, guiding senior executives through complex change initiatives. Her passion for fostering strong team dynamics, effective communication, and conflict resolution has benefited numerous CEOs and organizations, driving impact and innovation. Beyond her professional endeavors, she chairs the board of WIN: Women in Innovation and serves on the board of WaterAid North America, actively advocating for gender equity and sustainability. Kit is a dedicated working mom to her son Luca (2.5 years) and a vocal champion for gender equity in the workplace.

Power and authority are ultimately catalysts for action, but they are also very charged concepts because of how they can be wielded in human systems (for good, for bad, for shared outcomes, for personal gain, etc.) Understanding where BOTH power and authority live in organizational systems enables you to influence that system more effectively.

What do you think is at the heart of the people and culture discipline? And, how do you know when you have really succeeded at “people and culture” in the workplace?

I believe the heart of the people and culture discipline is deep understanding. Deep understanding on multiple levels:

  • A deep understanding of organizational strategy and what the organization is setting out to achieve. One of my favorite definitions of organizational “purpose” is simply, “why did you organize?”
  • A deep understanding of organizational culture – the norms, values, behaviors of the organization, both explicit and implicit.
  • A deep understanding of the groups and individuals that comprise an organization; their needs, motivations, challenges and desires.
  • A deep understanding of context and environment. What is influencing people and culture in your organization, what pressures are people facing, what expectations will drive them?

If you have a deep understanding of all of these vectors, you’re able to influence the organizational system and build connective tissue. Understanding people’s needs and context, you can inspire and motivate them to contribute to the organization’s goals. Understanding and influencing organizational norms and behaviors, you can help them work in harmony with creating positive outcomes – both for the organization and its people. 

In an interview you did, you spoke about the difference between power and authority in the workplace. Can you explain that again here and share why this is an important distinction?
Power and authority are powerful forces in any human system, and therefore critical components in any people and culture work. 

Power is the ability to influence others or their behavior. Therefore, power isn’t always held exclusively by “positions of power” or always tied to roles or titles. For instance, someone with a strong network of relationships in an organizational system may play a huge role in influencing the behavior of a group of people and therefore hold power.

Authority, on the other hand, is the formal right to hold or exercise that power. For instance, as a manager, I have the formal authority to determine what my direct report focuses their energy on. Unlike power, authority IS tied to specific roles. For instance, if you are an elected official, you formally hold the authority to represent your constituency. You can delegate authority, giving someone the formal right to exercise decision rights, etc. 


Power and authority are ultimately catalysts for action, but they are also very charged concepts because of how they can be wielded in human systems (for good, for bad, for shared outcomes, for personal gain, etc.) Understanding where BOTH power and authority live in organizational systems enables you to influence that system more effectively. Because they’re charged concepts, people often prefer NOT to acknowledge power – either their own or others! And I believe that to be extremely counterproductive. It’s not about whether it exists (it does!), it’s about how it’s used as a force for momentum. 

You recently were hired at Foursquare and in the press release, CEO Gary Little said you bring an inventive approach to designing internal business structures and team experiences. What does that mean? Can you share a few insights for others?

When Gary and I discussed the possibility of me taking on this role, we explored whether my vision for what a People Team could contribute to an organization was aligned with his vision and ultimately, the organization’s needs. There are a few underlying principles I bring to this work and this role:

  • That inherently, a people and culture function is a strategic catalyst for organizational outcomes, bringing deep data, insight, perspective and knowledge on human psychology and behavior to enrich people practices in service of shared goals.
  • That designing and influencing culture is inherently experiential, as people’s understanding of an organization is the sum of experiences they have with the organization and its members. 
  • That stories, narratives and metaphors are how people make sense of their experiences, and we are constantly creating and recreating organizational myth and lore based on those experiences. Leadership must do more than be aware of those narratives, they must also participate actively in shaping and influencing them as a driving force of organizational momentum.
  • That a people practice at a technology company should not operate differently than the organization itself fundamentally, which means being customer-obsessed, experimental, iterative and future-facing.
As a truly strategic function, a people practice serves both the organization’s people (who are critical in delivering organizational outcomes!) and the organization’s goals for success.

What is one aspect of the people discipline that you think is in need of reframing

There’s an inherent tension in the role that the people discipline plays in organizations, which I don’t think is surfaced enough. The question of whether a people practice serves the organization (as it fulfills its obligation re: compliance, legal protections, etc.) or the people of the organization (in its more representative, employee relations capacity) to me is both a tension and a false dichotomy. As a truly strategic function, a people practice serves both the organization’s people (who are critical in delivering organizational outcomes!) and the organization’s goals for success. I think an excellent people practice balances the priorities and needs of a multitude of stakeholders with grace, while actively seeking mutually beneficial outcomes. 

What is one trend you are excited by in 2024?

  • Leveraging AI to enhance the contributions the people discipline can make to the organization! 
  • The emphasis on DEI as an integrated practice across the organization vs. a singular championship role.
  • The recognition that any return to office initiatives should be based on clear and strategic intent vs. blind mandates!
    Oops, that was three!

What is one thing you can’t live without?

Yoga. If you take care of your body, your brain follows.

Who is one woman you admire?

So many! But one that comes to mind specifically is Jacinda Ardern. I admire so deeply how she stayed true to her own authentic way of leading, despite enormous pressure. So many leaders - especially women leaders - have been under pressure to model the way others have led vs. forging their own path, which when taken shows others (future women leaders!) that it is possible to hold and exercise power and influence in many ways.



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